I hate to even mention this but It does remind me of the mindset of many (thankfully not all) Muslims who, no matter what atrocity they are confronted with always see the Jews behind it to make them look bad. I think Bill can relax now since we now have confirmation that Churchmouse all along has been pointing the finger at Catholics, as stated for the record in her latest comments: We had considered installing blog software that would support comments, but I do not have the time to monitor such a feature to begin with, and unlike Catholic Answers, which has a multi-million dollar budget and a staff at least six or more times larger than our own, the only other staff person does not have time to mess with it either. Mysticism demands the response that can not be countered. Of course, I know both of you will continue on ignoring these facts, but, now that you have been informed you cant claim ignorance of the subject. Proverbs 14:34. Will you still EVADE the question??? But at half a century, I cannot even remember everything Ive read. I was addressing the Roman Catholic apologetics community. Esther Is everything in Foxes book of martyrs a mere fabrication? I think you should read his book The Roman Catholic Controversy and see what Dr. White has to say concerning the development of doctrine. all of which you clearly demonstrated by your assumptions that Catholic Answer was behind that website. Read Esaus response verses, without the filter of thinking that the Catholic Church and its members are seeking glory. Through the church, couldnt tell you the location and Id be interested to see your answer, and to the church yet again. Isnt that a littleobsessive? Quite liberating, actually. The Book of the Wars of the Lord For one thing Im sure we Catholics agree with a whole lot of his beliefs on basic Christian truths and on many social issues. In this video, White Thus the illustration is flawed at its most basic lever. The first will be last, the last first. And that, having ordained what is Holy Scripture, God will not allow us to misunderstand it. Sheesh. Youll get that casuistry degree yet. or accept the harsh criticism. So the same type of photo would be appropriate if demonstrated by a pro-choicer wishing to inject levity into the pro-life debate? But HOW does he do this? In Christ. He is the author of more than twenty books and is an accomplished debater. The daily dying to self, the seeds of every moment are to die for the sake of the Kingdom which is Christ our Lord. I hope I can continue to read JA.O, and its comboxes, without having to see this kind of kindergarten-level foolishness again. Would any rational person know that the pictures that Dr. White posted had only one aim, as he claims? Join Facebook to connect with James R. White and others you may know. is unique, standing alone against all the re: Whites arguments posted by carebeer: Until he does, I dont have to answer his questions. That wont work on me. But its starting to look to me like almost everyone who White squares off against winds up feeling personally offended. Knowledge infallible is purely dependant upon God, but in the scheme of Author to reader as devised in his example, there is also a component of human reception and explanation that needs to be addressed. the fundamental philosophical flaw is its functional commitment to a nominalism that denies connection or categories. Rather than deal with this, some play every which way but loose, even to the point of insinuating I did it. Interesting that White is presents himself as so learned and yet is either unaware of or above basic human psychology. Do you know that the phrase drama queen is in the Merriam-Webster dictionary as a person given to often excessively emotional performances or reactions. Uhhhh does that mean that since the Apostles are dead, they dont know anything as well and, therefore, perhaps we should simply discard the New Testament, or even the Old Testament for that matter, since the Patriarchs, the Prophets, etc., are also dead! The bitterness and disdain you present with such loaded terms take away a lot of the impact your comments might otherwise have they tell all the RCs here that you have no respect for us, either as co-religionists or human beings. $1099. To that end, no such insult was intended. The Sovereign Grace of God: A Biblical Study of the Doctrines of Calvinism. [5][6][7][8] The legitimacy of White's academic credentials has been questioned. Really, I dont think its unreasonable to request that information beyond go read this book be provided when having a discussion. 1. not sane; not of sound mind; mentally deranged. LOL. You have said multiple times (quoting Dr. White) that God would divinely reveal the Canon. You believe what it says to you, and the Protestants believe what it says to them. Par for the course. //So no one should respond to Hittchens or Dawkins because they are sometimes offensive? GOD knows who did it, but one thing can be certain, NO PROTESTANT would go through such extremes let alone steer folks to Catholic Answers.. Registrant Street3: I cant believe I trawled this com box on a sunny Saturday afternoon, but it wasnt all dank and darkness. Clearly, some of us do misunderstand it, as there are many different understandings of Holy Scripture. If you had taken the time to examine CareBears comments, you would see that he is judging James Whites innocence merely on the basis of this one post of Jimmy Akin alone. Question: if the Bible is 100% Gods Word (as I believe as well), why do we talk about Paul, Peter, Matthew, etc. Christians are called to charity, above all else. I dont see how either you or White can demand that Jimmy drop whatever hes doing to give special attention to White. Really, he should take the high road here, and then, we can discuss his theological points. Did SDG actually say its gnostic or is it only what you say he said? Unless it concerns history, which is my pet topic, then Im in there like a flash. The Chris Pinto vs. James White debate on whether Codex Sinaiticus is a modern forgery can be boiled down to a few considerations. Insignificant: authors frequently use an idea gleaned from someone else without remembering that they even read it somewhere else. If thats not good enough for you, so be it. No, noyoure much too modest! Take care and God bless, lied. (your post, not the URL, before a troll jumps on this). Q: Not the gnostic thing again, please. In fact, on the record of history, one can argue that the Reformed screaming Catholicism = Islam are engaged in projection. I find this strange because it seems to me that he has set up the concept of Canon knowledge (mediated) as something which humans possess, something they understand due to the communication of the author. First tell us, what race are the Germans? Seriously, folks, ignore the Trademarked toy. (If anyone knows Frank Beckwith, you know thats his style of humor). Assuming a Conclusion (James White is innocent) based on a rather biased examination of what appears to be little facts about the subject matter Heyif Im going to be a member of Akins Crewcan I at least get the T-shirt? Not mans cooperation, but Gods sovereign control over the man. HAHA!!!! 2]Cherish and love the Holy Scriptures, being careful to not impose your theological structures upon its message. Its never too late to save anyone. And there lies my bewilderment! The Manner of the Kingdom[2] Third, it actually produces a queasy feeling in my gut when I spend a couple of hours trying to put together a good, meaningful post, that expresses legitimate disappointment in the theocracy (definitely a theocracy) promoted by Rome, only to have it thrown off as utter nonsense. As I have asserted before, I doubt few here have actually ever litened to a White debate. I said I seem to remember he gave you an extended period of time and it turns out it was just under fifteen minutes. Z est X. Yikes. Mind backing that up? You dont have to take responsibility for Whites questions. I admire your courage. What answers can be given except the councils, the fourth century, the documents from it, and the canon that we and you accept? Youre right that we will still be here despite any maltreatment. Whites explanation leaves that unanswered. Now, on to another topic. It isnt funny to point out that the people who make vague accusations about the URL could have done it themselves? The point is irrationality not hate. Get beyond that and we need to scrutinize truth claim a lot more carefully. Until he does, however, it is simply silly of us to even engage in discussion with him or with any of you who think that those pictures are defensible. An apology. To do a thorough job would take time far beyond this combox and as I am not a sociologist of humor, I would certainly want to consult Christie Davies in England (he is not Catholic, so there could be no charge of bias), because he is a sociologist of humor and would have a better handle on that aspect of things. I havent read the book by Dr. White. Barry: Without knowing who linked the jamesrwhite.org website to Catholic Answers, any discussion of why it was done is pure speculation. God Bless, Do Catholics get better seats in heaven than the Protestants? Thank you Carebear and friends! Can you say the same for White supporters? Silence is the word of the day, it would seem, yet only in relation to pertinent issues. I think Dr. White intended that. Philip, presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See, said: There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Saviour and Redeemer of the human race, and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: Our holy and most blessed Pope Celestine the bishop is according to due order his successor and holds his place.Accordingly the decision of all churches is firm, for the priests of the eastern and western churches are present.Wherefore Nestorius knows that he is alienated from the communion of the priests of the Catholic Church. M Burke criticized Francis Beckwiths doctorate, but refers to James White as Dr White? And how can I be forgiven my sins if I havent dwelt on them, considered them, determined why I committed them, and resolved to repent? Otherwise, how is one to judge between one list of books and another? Lets be honest, if it were anyone other than him posting pictures like that people wouldnt be reacting in such a manner. Nowhere in any of this distraction are we dealing with the matters of God and salvation. However, no matter how infallible God is, us men are fallible. a faith that works Also, there is some point of Catholic history not allowing religious liberty and actually persecuting or killing people. But what shall be my reference point? The set of circumstances that would lead another James R. White in the US to register that domain (as a .org, no less) and forward it to catholic.com is unreasonable, as well. Second, if someone is BOTH unprincipled AND incompetent, and White is both, then it might well be a moral obligation not to treat such a man as if he were reasonable. Sacralists never tire of trying to recombine them, resulting in inquisitions and other holy wars of modern times. Of course if we all took to heart the words Paul Hoffer quoted from Cardinal Newman (May no one be less good for having come within my influence. If there were genuine principles involved here then Jimmy would sanction a distancing from James White and Mark Shea but we know that Jimmys boss is bankrolling publication of some upcoming books from the very same Mark Shea. Jimmy asked for a discussion of the pictures and I, for one, have done so, however cursory. That is, why would Catholic anybody (e.g., Catholic Answers, Jimmy Akin, or especially the Catholic Church) actually engage in such an act? Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses. Tobit Not that Im asking right now. The hints of purple and yellow also add a dash of vibrance to the design. When the Council of Nicea convened, around 318 (by one count) bishops attended. Every day someone new stands up wild-eyed and excited that they finally figured it out. Jimmy on the other hand is just plain good person. period. Only the King James Bible hasn't been tampered with! I think he made a error in judgement. Posted by: CareBear | Aug 10, 2007 2:04:40 PM. I would be doing a disservice to my collegues who have spent their lives trying to understand humor and its effects if I did not speak for at least part of the humor community. My identity is bound up with Christ and the people of Christ, whoever they are, wherever they may be found, not in some dead hierarchy. Disciples are followers. Besides being an author, Jimmy is the Senior Apologist at Catholic Answers, a contributing editor to Catholic Answers Magazine, and a weekly guest on "Catholic Answers Live." But its rather annoying when com-boxers ask Why has no one addressed my argument? I fully expect him to start into depends on your interpretation at any time now. Um, I have no idea what your comment, White is particularly antagonistic to White, means or is connected with. Sacralism is a paradigm of absolute unity between church and state that could not, would not distinguish between material, institutional trappings of human magesterial authority and the spiritual realities of the heavenly kingdom. : He subsequently made much of the fact that I allegedly struggled to answer if the Incarnation is a unique event, a clear instance of the complex question fallacy, yet when a Catholic does it (see Phils version and My Version), its a cheap debating trick. If the author continues writing, the canon changes with the completion of each project. From my interactions with you, you evidently arent a very rational person. That is the data I have used for analysis, nothing more. Wrong again. While he may be at times over the top passionate, he has never been deceptive. Whaddya know, I was lurking and it posted. Bill, right on the button. I wonder if thatll be dealt with as well?) 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