She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. I haven't read this book yet but I have seen the documentary Dear Zachary. In fact, Turner would travel frequently from Iowa to visit Andrew in Latrobe, something shed done the week before he was killed. Did. And if you haven't seen it, you need to. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. "With Andrew gone and then Zachary gone, we didn't give a damn about putting up a Christmas tree or lights outside or any of that stuff," Bagby said from their home in Gilroy, about 30 kilometres south of San Jose. Defo a good read. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. You could see Andrew in that boy. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. Right? Someone found a car that didn't belong. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. And Kate would walk into the house, especially when Andrew was home for a visit from the University of California-Irvine. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. At least he might have asleep when she went in. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley . KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. If both parties dont recognize that, he says, then youve got trouble.. A judge ruled that Turner's detention was not in the public interest and released her on bail. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org. Suddenly, the Bagbys were appointed Zachary's main carers. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearable? MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. If. Lifes ability to hand us the unbearable is matched only by the ability of the human spirit to somehow handle it. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. Two months later, with the extradition process still grinding on, Turner announced she was pregnant with Andrew's child. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. And he's like, `I'm not looking for anything serious. In this brutally tragic true story a Father (David Bagby, author) and Mother deal with the slaying of their son by his ex-girlfriend. He just lit up when he saw Kate, David says. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). Cpl. Zachary was learning some words well, words he understood that Kate and David were sure they understood, too. "We never expected it. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. And a desire to write about a Canadian justice system that is fatally flawed. And now I want to read the book. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their year-old grandchild was killed in Newfoundland in 2003,the California couple hasn't bothered decking the halls, but now they're celebrating alegal victory in the case. I, was like, `Hi, buddy.' ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. `When Andrew would cry, David would say, `To think we paid good money for this,' Kate jokes. In November 2002, a year after Andrew's murder, the judge in Turner's extradition case finally threw out the queries raised by her lawyer and put Turner in jail, ruling there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. The days Andrew and his buddies would goof-off, watch movies and sleep over right there in the family room. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). David has written a book about the case, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. And we, would have agreed to anything. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire MORRISON: But then things changed. Book details an absolute tragedy in the Canadian justice system. The 13-month-old boy died when his mother, Dr. Shirley Turner, held him and jumped into the frigid North Atlantic near Conception Bay South, N.L. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. This year is different. They're like, `What do you mean?' While the offense with which she is charged is a violent and serious one, the court ruled, it was not directed at the public at large., On Jan. 10, David says, we had to give Zachary back to her.. "She was not the woman you wanted involved with your son. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. If one thinks the American justice system is slow moving and against the victim most times, then one should encounter the Canadian justice system. David Bagby, 61, has written a book about much of it, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, scheduled for release late this month by Canadian publisher Key Porter Books Limited. Temptation Island: What Happened To David & Kate After Season 2? Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. The couple left Canada and returned to California - but the tortuous memories followed. he was fussy at all. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. If you dont believe that, you need only follow the Bagbys lives over the past five years. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. The Bagbys thoughts soon turned from suicide. What he and his wife went through is truly disgusting. the water. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. Even though I knew the outcome, the day the main incident occurs, I was still shocked when the pages finally reveal the events that lead up to that day. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearablebut Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. Whom was also a doctor. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. In one of the infamous bonfires, David's threesome with two of the single women was shown to Kate. Each decision is subject to appeal. I couldn't see the point anymore. More than all that, the Bagbys tale is about two people who endured one personal tragedy, which was compounded in harrowing ways that would surely crush most of us. This book was very well written, and straight to the point. She was granted bail and awarded custody of the child despite the fact that she faced charges ofpremeditated murder and had fled the U.S. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. I had lovely family. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. Id come in and Id be excited, Kate says. And I know, you love me, and--yeah. When the Bagbys visited the mortuary and saw Zachary's tiny body covered by a white sheet, they fell apart. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. will not hurt Zachary, period. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' Details aplenty as this book includes legal cases, quoted interviews, diary portions, and anything you can imagine.This is a complete emotional roller coaster so buckle up and be prepared. I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. The night was. In the wake of the shocking turn of events, Andrew's father, David Bagby, wrote a true crime memoir that is described as "a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system.". Was it true? You can, just--there's nothing. I truly commend the Bagby's commitment to exposing (and trying to bring about change) a corrupt judicial system, even in the midst of their tremendous loss. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. What a flaky person. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. Father murdered. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. There is only so much that Kurt could fit in an hour and a half and I learned so much more by reading things from David's own words. I just want to get through medical school.'. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. to reconsider getting some help with that. With Shirley Turner out of jail it was time for the Bagbys to clench their teeth again. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' Reviewed in the United Kingdom on July 4, 2017. i read this after seeing the amazing documentary and still felt the rage of the incredible injustice of it all whilst reading it. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. I'm sure she died thinking she had won, but I also hope her she is living her justice now, in hell. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. Meeting her at 6. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. David was taking pictures, Kate says. Not always. I'm absolutely sure. "It was an overpowering feeling. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. Another guy and I said, `Sure. Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. Couldn't be her. 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