Thank you, Elizabeth. But Ill definitely write profiles of them when I feel like I know them well enough. Both have excellent tasting fruit. What would you recommend? The difference is that the A type trees have flowers that will open as females in the morning one day, close in the afternoon, then open the next afternoon as male and then close in the evening. Sun exposure. With all 3 trees with hundreds of bb size to small marble size. Option 1: Reed. I even made a chart a few years ago showing the harvest seasons of some varieties (in my post When to pick avocados), but Im not perfectly comfortable with it because every year is different and every yard is different, even within a small geographical area like a single county let alone all of Southern California. Lambs do get rich, for sure. You might be able to find a Gwen to taste at a farmers market somewhere nearby around now and through summer. You can always try a Hass too, and just prune it to the size you want. Theyre rich in flavor and creamy in texture without any strings. Were trying to get avocados all year round with varieties weve tried and like. Its just easier to maintain over the long haul. The fruit must be of good size. It seems that I should have bought the first Ettinger I saw five years ago. Pinkertons are very productive, especially considering that they are a smaller tree, and like Fuerte, Pinkertons also mature a bit earlier than Hass. Excellent flavor - Sharwil and Hass both are described as rich and nutty. It doesnt make great guacamole, but its excellent on sandwiches and in smoothies. 1) which two varieties would you recommend as being good pairing for quite heavy clay-y soil?! Great read! Thanks for the response. A homegrown Hass, picked at prime time around May or June in southern Southern California, but some months later up near Point Conception and ripened at room temperature on a kitchen counter (not refrigerated and gassed with ethylene during its mishandling on the way to a retail outlet) is a knockout. This is one of the "classic" avocados. About five years ago it started to get bad infestations of mites, it then started to get cancors on the large branches and trunk that had a white powder around the edges. Mites like a dusty leaf surface. I live in So Calif Inland Empire (Norco); hot summers, rarely below 29 30 in winter. Hi Greg, I pre-irrigated and sprayed down the trees during the heat and prevented fruitlet drop too well. Great article, and I agree with your choices of Hass, Reed, and Fuerte, but only if you live in a true mild avocado climate. Tamp the soil down around the tree's . Edranol, Ettinger, Sharwil and Zutano demonstrated a closer timing to Hass than Bacon, Fuerte and Shepard . They must look at my yard and think its disgusting! For the summer/fall varieties, Im unsure about Gwen. I know you know the pruning game so Im sure youll have no problem keeping the trees at 12 feet. I dont know the growing habits of avocados generally in Hawaii compared to California. These trees are classified as evergreens, although some varieties lose their leaves for a short period of time before and during flowering. Can you please tell me which avocado orchard you visited in California? Im ruthless with pruning shears (you have to be), Youre welcome to check out Piet Stassen and his pruning technique displayed at UC Irvine. Fuerte and Nabal are both well known for alternating in this way. Thanks Greg, I hate to hear how many avocado trees havent thrived for you, but its great that you havent given up. Also, there is nothing written about growing avocados in France. Im more relaxed about it now. When you put a thick layer of tree trimmings down, do you turn them to allow air to circulate? Should be interesting to see how it works out. Which order would you recommend from the equator to the pole? Its been a great summer in OB/Pt Loma. We had problems with root rot our persimmontree died of root rot). I live in Sunland, CA, in a very sunny area where the sun is strong all day. Then, I found out that none of the French nurseries provided any information about the rootstocks. I am really lost on here. This is the experience of many others as well. High oil content - Sharwil and Hass both >25% oil. I hope you get a chance to plant a real avocado tree or three this spring. Nice work! I am in the hills of Montecito, south facing slope. We do have a small green house, but its not really large enough for an avocado tree of any size unless we leave it in a pot, which would limit its productivity. I found only two Spanish nurseries that talked rootstocks. As I learnt that planting an A-type and a B-type only encreased crops by 20%, I thought it would be smarter to plant a second tree that would be fruiting when Hass does not, allowing me to have avocados almost all year long, as ou describe in your article. I made one for my mom in her backyard about six years ago and its doing well. I am a huge fan of Hawaiian varieties and I am highly considering grafting Kahaluu to one of the trees. You might try leaching the chlorine out of the soil by giving it a long watering with regular water. Small seed - Sharwil seeds, possibly the smallest of all commercial avocados, are Ive never had a tree-matured Sir Prize. Youre very welcome. Where to find Sir Prize Avocados? that is why I decided to find out by growing two trees and to report on them. I have two questions, if I may Thank you for all the great information! I decided to go pairwise; Im curious and want to understand whatre the best varieties to eat & grow here in our climate and my particular soil and I hope to avoid alternate bearing issues. Greg, youre awesome! I sprayed today and will keep it up. Good problems. Read more here: http://www.avocadosource.com/CAS_Yearbooks/CAS_72_1988/CAS_1988_PG_195-207.pdf. What could have caused this issue ? Ive visited avocado trees only as far north as the Bay Area. I never feel like I have a palate that is refined enough to give a sufficiently florid description. I really, really appreciate this article. Thanks again. Will likely be going with a Sir Prize based on that fact, but Eli at Subtropica has all available, its just so tempting to get all three and just try to plant the reed on the other side of the property. The salt tolerance of some is not extremely better than others. In fact, it is precisely the microbes in there doing their work that produce the enzyme called cellulase which is said to fight the pathogenic fungus that causes root rot disease in avocados (Phytophthora cinnamomi). The Hass is a tough act to follow, but Backyard. It is pear-like in shape and has dark skin when ripe. Type A flowers. Home Depot in Whittier has mainly had Zutanos, Bacons and Hass while Lowes hadnt had anything. This will help me determine where i will plant it. I live in Santa Barbara, CA just less than a mile from the ocean. I was curious where you get all the wood chips for mulch? Great to hear all of this. I have been in contact with them for Carmen, GEM and Ettinger trees and late January was told to ask later in April for the trees. Just so you and other readers know, my yard is in inland San Diego County near the town of Ramona. On your south-facing slope it might not be as happy. Variety: Flower Type: Taste (subjective) Fruit Size: Fruit Color: Fruit Shape: Skin: Oil % Fruit Season (Irvine) Tree Size: Remarks: Anaheim: A: good: 18-32 oz: green . But a couple are right on the cusp of that top tier. Hass has done very well on Duke 7 for decades in many locations. Theres no rush. Ive never eaten Green Gold. If the only Hass avocados youve had are from the grocery store, then you have no idea. how come i never thought about this! I have a Reed on Dusa that is doing very well. The answer depends on a few things. Yes, heat tolerance would be a desirable quality indeed. I was surprised this past weekend that I found the Lowes in La Mirada had 10 Reeds in 5 gallon containers. "The trees are also more compact, which means growers have less costs for harvesting and tree maintenance." After some pool renovations which sent torrents of pool water into the avo area two of the trees are completely dead. Both trees have been prolific. Avocado oils are high in monounsaturated fats, which are beneficial for your heart and skin. You could eat Sir Prize fruits starting pretty early in winter, and then you could let the GEMs hang late and eat them even through summer maybe into fall except that Covina gets hot, so maybe not. Is there another tree of comparable size that complements the GEM in season that could happily share this space? Having grown up in San Diego and having a father who loved Avocados, I was never without. I am thinking Dusa for Hass (everyone says that Hass avocado grafted on Dusa is more productive than on Duke 7) But I have no idea about Reed, because no scientific study mentions Reed (I guess this is because it is not a commercial variety anymore). This is one of the reasons that Hass went from obscurity in 1945 to over 95 percent of the commercial avocado production in California today. Sometimes the selection and quality is terrible, but sometimes its excellent. Hass x 4 Reed x 3 Sharwil x 1 Unknown grafted x 1 Fuerte x 2 Ettinger x 2 Wurtz x 1 And a few seedlings. I realize it cant live forever there but at least I will get to try the fruit someday. Step 4. But mine trees are still small 3 and 4 feet and last year only had 5 egg size fruit. I would still choose Hass as my single tree in Van Nuys, and Reed should do well there too. We might be on to something. Also my grandfather said growing up in Los Angeles they had Mcarthur avocados, Have you ever heard of them? I saw his GEMs on Toro Canyon and they looked perfect and vigorous. Would you still recommend a Hass and Reed for us? Avocados dont ripen while hanging on the tree. Ive found that 30% shade cloth over the top of young trees is enough unless its over about 105 degrees. Thank you! Its just hard to start growing a tree that you: This makes me very happy? Perhaps the Lamorinda has the answer? USDA Certified Production Facility: Volume up to 6,000 lbs. I have no idea if it was a great one or a terrible one. Flowering and pollination. The trees are doing spectacularly, especially the Nabal with 18 almost baseball size avocados on it. Ive only eaten them once though, a handful of years ago up in Carpinteria. (it is tempting to just buy a larger tree but im in it for the long run). Congratulations on your house in Covina. Or, just to be on the safe side (in case Dusa doesnt function well in our soil) have one Dusa and one Duke 7? I havent seen you comment on Sirprize. I went to Fallbrook and paid Eli a visit, and I came back with a Reed, a Sirprize, and a GEM. Fuerte would work here since its bloom season is long and overlaps well with these two varieties. When they set a lot like your trees have, they must shed some or else branches will break, get sunburned, even die back from the stress of growing too much fruit. I think this one can make a come back. The flesh had nice color, tasted rich and smooth. If you live in a cooler area I think it calls for some adjusting. One last thing. Most people are a bit lazy when it comes to tree pruning. Youve got a great combination of avocado trees there. I know Sunland, and I can empathize with how you and your avocados feel. Ive seen high-density plantings get crowded after the first few years and then the yield is reduced and the grove is impenetrable jungle. Vasco, thank you for your kind message. One has more green on it than the other. Where I am now (Ramona) gets a little chillier even than there but Lamb does fine in my yard. If I was going to do it again here in the Southern Vic, I'd just go for Hass and Reeds mostly with maybe three Bacons and an Ettinger for a pollinator. Also, avocado flowers are primarily pollinated by bees, and bees readily fly between trees that are 50 feet apart. You might try to ask someone nearby about the water they use, especially on a young tree (older trees are tougher). Reed Avocado Greengold Avocado. In the meantime, there are heaps of other varieties that are already publicly available to explore. I also have a Bacon way in the back yard mostly for pollinating. Thats nearly year-round, top-notch avocados from three trees. Im glad youre happy with your Zutano. It doesnt matter which variety you plant in clayey soil. Im torn though We have a small space with good sunlight and drainage in our yard that is probably 12 x 12 for this tree. Ive never tasted one but wondering how it compares to Reed and Hass in your opinion. But this is just theory, and I lack experience in so many other aspects of gardening. So I need to know the characteristics of other types of Avocado trees. A Florida avocado has the same kind of fats but in much lower quantities. Thats said, I learnt a lot))), At first I wanted to plant a Hass(A-type) and a Fuerte (B-type), because some people said they pollinise well each other (I read several articles about avocado pollination, though I still dont understant how an A-variety can complement a B-variety, if they do not flower during the same months?! If you want the tree to grow more vertically, Id plant a Reed. Gwens downfall as a commercial variety was primarily its green skin; it doesnt turn black as it ripens like Hass. Wish Id read something like this a few years ago. The main reason Id choose Reed is that its harvest season complements the Hass. For example, Ive got some avocado trees planted at 7.5 feet apart, and thats a spacing that some commercial growers use. About the winter/spring varieties that you mentioned: I dont know how much heat Wurtz can handle. Sorry to hear about the decline of such a wonderful tree. One of the challenging things is actually figuring out the season for each time and what that season is for those varieties in the location it is planted. So I decided to plant a Hass and a Sir Prize which sounded like a great variety. Who knows? Hi Greg, Yet the tree is smaller in that it is an upright instead of a large spreading type, the fruit are small but turn black when ripe (about the size of tiny hass found 8 in a bag), and the tree is a heavy producer (at least it was this time). The only real negative was that the seedcoat didnt adhere to the seed. Tree 2: This one has been tough to pin down, and I have come up with a few options based on my research. I am jealous you are growing all those Hawaiian varieties and am interested in what you have to say about taste once that time comes and how the trees are doing. Thanks for these comments. The challenge is that many of them have similar harvest seasons, which are spring into summer: Hass, Sharwil, GEM, Gwen. Hass and Reed as numbers one and two are solid for me. When it comes to Avocado, Temecula is the place to buy all your Avocado trees, famous for best Avocados in the WORLD. What do you think, is it overkill to have two Hass trees? This cultivar is responsible for almost 60 percent of commercial avocado acreage in Hawaii. It makes me feel geriatric. Anyway, Id focus on A types, and with the 14-foot ceiling you could prune any variety to keep its size in check or go with a naturally smaller variety such as Gwen, GEM, Pinkerton, Lamb, or even Reed (these will all ultimately get taller than 14 feet, but not as soon). How did the kahaluu taste? They are located in Fallbrook, and possibly in 2020 theyll start selling Sharwils. I have lost a couple in the past that I didnt wrap. The grove manager said he prefers Hass at no closer than 12 feet. Check the photos and descriptions of cankers and discoloration on avocados at this UC IPM page, and maybe one will fit your Gwen: http://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/C008/m008bpcanker.html. At best, carrying a super heavy crop load usually means that the following years crop will be very light. Blossom Type: B Fruit Shape: Clavate Skin Color Unripe: Green Skin Color Ripe: Green Skin Thickness: Medium Average Fruit Weight oz: 10 to 18 %Ratio Seed/Skin/Flesh: 9:12:79 Click on image to enlarge Additional Information: Popular in Australia. We got a Hass today, and were planning to plant it tomorrow in the sunniest spot in our yard, which usually stays pretty warm, even when its chilly. Over the past 2 weeks sheltering in place, Im noticing lots of small fruit starting. Our southernmost facing front yard has a decent slope, so planning to plant there. This is great news that you found and planted so many trees in Portugal! And compared to Reed, Fuertes production isnt as consistently high. Yes, before asking you about the rootstocks, I checked if there was anything about avocado rootstocks on The Yard Posts! I was originally thinking of two avocado trees to go along with the Meyer Lemon and Black Mission Fig, but this post is making me think it should be three. (I prefer this to their compost, which is a bit overcooked and too fine for my liking. Youve spurred me to finally post on some portion of the topic at least. You can go two ways about it. We recommend storing your avocado at room temperature in the fruit bowl until it reaches the preferred ripeness for eating. Thanks Greg. Most of them dont usually produce as well in such climates as A types. Both ornamental and fruit trees are being affected, Its only about 8 miles to the Tijuana River valley from here which Im told is having a serious problem with shot hole borers, hope Im wrong but that may be the problem. Thanks for the articles; Im finding them to be a wonderful resource. Notify me via e-mail if anyone answers my comment. Truly, you can prune almost any variety to almost any shape, but its easier if you go with the natural tendency of the variety. http://www.riversun.co.nz/assets/Uploads/Avocado-Rootstock-Characteristics.pdf Finally picking a bunch of softball-sized, very tasty fruits. To mitigate the clay soil, the planting area is raised, and the adjacent rock wall is free standing to allow drainage. High oil content - Sharwil and Hass both >25% oil. To my delight, they confirmed that they shipped to France. Sharwil, Stewart, Sir Prize, Hass and Holiday dont seem to do as well here in comparison. My third choice would be Hass and Lamb. Two months ago my Nabal (in SoCal) was also developing a lot of yellow leaves with brown veins, and falling off. Please keep it up. 2 Reed (on Dusa) for me and the cathedral, and one Bacon (on Dusa) for the cathedral. has a high oil content and is larger than the hass variety. 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