Telling the Truthis the international on-air and online media ministry that distributes the teaching content of uniquely-gifted Bible teachersStuart and Jill Briscoeto help people know Christ and experience Life in all its fullness. Well, I want to turn our discussion to what youve experienced at your own church, which is a multi-site mega church there in the Dallas Fort Worth area, because those are things where youve been able to apply some of these lessons that youve learned from watching the negative example maybe of Willow Creek, youve learned an awful lot from going through crisis at your own church. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. I understand that the desire to have elders dealing with what Ill call Echelon or tier level, theological topics: What does the church think about, you know, for example, racial reconciliation? I encourage you to start praying again and trust God to open doors for you in godly and meaningful fellowship. After a failed attempt to travel alone in his truck out west, he came to church with us that very day. I think they can do it effectively. Well, to answer your question, very bad. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. Literally thousands of people have come to know Jesus under Bill Hybels teaching and yet, he was morally bankrupt at the same time. Well Mitch, one of the things Ive never discussed is that we used to attend Willow Creek. Can you imagine what that does for book sales to be on stage at the Global Leadership Summit among people all over the world and touted as an expert in something? He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Mitch is an attorney, a church elder and an advocate for abuse victims. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. My personal belief, not speaking on behalf of anyone else, my personal belief is that that structure is designed to fail, because elders cant elder in that structure. Just what I call a deformed leadership culture at the church where certain things became acceptable that shouldnt. Yeah, I think youre gonna be waiting a while. At the urging of a friend working in the radio industry, the Briscoes followed God's leading and used the tape sales proceeds to purchase local radio time, which launched Telling the Truth's radio outreach. Its good to be visiting with you again. Well, one thing I did want to cover, and our time is getting to an end, but I know that you have dealt with having a sexual predator within your church. But what happens when there is a sheep within the flock who needs to be defended? There were some areas or some some critical times when things could have gone differently, but the elders caved in essence to Bill Hybels. And I think there is a healthy fear. But lets talk about since were talking about the media, Willow Creek had unbelievable resources at its disposal, right. They made a lot of friends a lot of money over the years selling books, promoting programs, platforming them at conferences, platforming them at the Global Leadership Summit. So appreciate. I know that the original elders of Harvest thought they could keep James accountable despite the knowledge that he had glaring character flaws from the beginning. Today, Telling the Truthis heard anytime and anywhere, thanks to international radio programming, the internet, and our mobile app. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Basically, theyre a rubber stamp., Julie, I have a different take on what happened at WCC. Yeah, without using any names. The cover up of his behavior manifested at the elder board level. You know, I think, Julie, the other thing that was really whacked out about Willows elder board, and I didnt find this out until very late in the representation was they operated by design out of unanimity. Not so much at Willow till after, because I was so wrapped up in the Harvest stuff at that time and the Moody stuff that I didnt really have the capability or the bandwidth to do much reporting about Willow. And Willow lost the battle of PR on social media. So if you think of Willow as being a living thing, we are willing to put other things to death on the altar of preserving that organism. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. In fact, back in the late 80s, early 90s, we went to Willow Creek and we had a wonderful experience. And so I do think its a healthy thing when youre afraid of doing wrong, because it will be brought up and you will be held accountable. So I was quite taken aback when this scandal came out. And yet, when these issues started being raised about Bill Hybels, the larger church, other than you know, a few people you mentioned the Ortbergs, for example, they came forward and spoke. Why did so many look the other way for so long? Now youre a lawyer. Im good friends with Vonda Dyer, who worked at Willow and was one of the women who bravely came forward with her story about her interactions with Bill Hybels. And Willow just, they got killed because they wouldnt respond and say the truth. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. That way, youll never miss an episode. And I really was hopeful that there was going to be a public apology, and yet, None. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. And I remember you saying. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. Its scripturally rooted. Hybels at one point had a major conflict with a woman who was serving on the elder board, who was trying to hold him accountable and essentially used a reconciliation process involving some other big names in evangelicalism to essentially run her off, put her under an NDA. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. Yep, thats rooted in pride. As a lawyer whos represented some of Bill Hybels victims Mitch Little has seen a side of Willow Creek that few others have. Thank you so much. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. But I have to say that in the middle of dealing with a lot of tall weeds and bugs, God has also given me some flowers and fruit trees to enjoy. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. that keeps the honest person honest. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. And which really makes me sad because theyve had a change in leadership. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. In fact, I know some of them. So Scot, its like the scene in The Avengers when Iron Man just kind of drops out of the sky. Im Julie Roys. Yeah, apparently its not going to happen. Thats a rhetorical question. But I guess this is the question so many are asking is, Can anybody be in those kind of jobs with the kind of responsibility that is put on one human, one person to lead thousands of people? And so many looking to him for vision for leadership for everything. In the late 1990s, Telling the Truth was blessed with opportunities to expand the broadcasts overseas with a newly formed Christian radio station in London, Premier Christian Radio, which today remains the only Christian station across the entire United Kingdom, with 1.2 million weekly listeners. 1 talking about this. Im wary of the theatrical, evangelical stars that are so prevalent now. One of those is that you had your senior pastor resign kind of suddenly. How do you recommend searching worth while places to donate too? In this Milgram experiment, they found that people are willing to do things under collar of authority and that they would not probably otherwise do. And its designed to be acretive, right that they gain strength over time. Yeah, totally agree. Well, and that is one aspect of the story that I wanted to explore together because I know that what happened at Willow from my understanding of speaking with Vonda and several victims is that it was far worse, the abuse there and far more pervasive than most people know, and thats one of the frustrations I know of a lot of the victims is that Willow hasnt publicly acknowledged that or publicly said how bad it was. Bill Hybels and Bill Clinton, you know, developed a friendship over the years that at least what Ive discovered in my research, there was an invitation for Clinton to come and speak at the Global Leadership Summit, and a confrontation with the elder board about that because Clinton was on the heels of an adultery scandal. Hes a complex character. But you had said you had gotten this manual and it was about, you know, basically how to be an elder and how to lead. And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? But this is the beauty of I think whats arisen is an independent media. Think about the psychology of someone who could be doing what was alleged by Pat Baranowski to have been done to her. To me, this was one of the beautiful God moves about the entire situation. Im so grateful now for that heritage. Your browser does not support JavaScript. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. Its not okay. How do you get people to come to church when there are more authentic people in the bars? So, thanks for taking the time and you know, anybody whos willing to take a few minutes out of their vacation for a podcast, I just really appreciate it. It was everything from Vonda Dyers situation of being asked to come up to Bills room and talk leadership and a forced kiss, you know, a grab around the waist. I mean, I Timothy 5:20 says that we should publicly expose elders who are sinning so that others may take warning. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray Because we represent their interests. At the end of the day the aftermath of destruction is felt on so many levels by so many people and we all react differently in our humanness. It involves a level of compartmentalization that is truly stunning. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. At least, thats how I saw it. So your pastor, he chose himself to step down, correct? But heres what happened when Scot criticized them publicly. Who hasnt given a friend a friendly kiss once in awhile? 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