The official cause of death was from a heart attack. He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. It is as if he Wanted, as if hedesired, compelled, it to be so again, its at two - simultaneousbut contradictory - levels (as ALWAYS in many of Kubrick's films -like in The Shining: are the spectral ghosts 'real' or is Jack etcimagining them? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. If we try to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries. What a joke to call them "philosophers." In a case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his mind, but he was kinda busy. "anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? He wasn't positive. I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. Is that how youwould describe it? WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. Superman movies must keep him in the pre 80s, or he needsto do some serious upgrading. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. He didn't recognise her voice. The lower part is made of paper-mache, while the upper one The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. orpsychotherapists. Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. > the same time, being simple and concrete. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. <<<<<<<<<<<>. >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. Crumb Eye. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, -- Dennis/Endyhttp://home.comcast.net/~endymion91/~I was born to rock the boat. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting Other interpretations are floating around, including the idea Alice was also at the party, and while there's no set meaning for how the mask got on that pillow, the idea Alice put it there herself seems to be the prevailing theory. If it'ssupposed to be obvious, then why is it treated as such a great revelation,and why is a character who is presented as being reasonably intelligentso dense as not to see it? Perhaps itwould have worked better if there had been a photo in the newsarticle. ANSWERS: 4. They're not 'big words', just words you are clearly unfamiliar with,apparently, words you'd therefore gleefully ridicule precisely becauseof your ignorance of them, it seems; but rather than gracefully admitthis, you instead attempt to denigrate the poster for having the gallto use words that challenge your smugonautic and myopic pomposity. It was in the trailer or a TV spot. When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. It's profoundly, structurally, indeterminate >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling),<<<. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. ANSWER. In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." Congratulations. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. The big question is how did the mask get there, and who left it? Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. On Feb 26, 3:27 pm, "Avoid normal situations. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. >In a big crowd of masked> people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is). >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" 2. One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. WebThere are constant hints throughout the film of it being a story about one man's ego and insecurities. Somerton could hardly be >>>>>> described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. The goal of yoga practice was to STOP all that useless babble---because that is how a person actually makes the breakthrough to see reality as it is. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. Desire is always Other. You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in adepressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethaldrug overdose. It is odd that Bill would remember his patient he hadn't seen in at least a year, owned "Rainbow Fashions?" 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As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. I am normally the last guy in theworld to criticize somebody for using big words, but, besides that you'renot bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using themserves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. The point, however, is that even if all three female> 'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the same> character), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not to> mention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<>. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it? Desire is always the desire of theOther our dreams constituring the realisation of desire. We need some upstart director and SK devotee who can channel SK, to Make EWS part 2. While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. (meaning the Mysterious woman) "victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the women at the party, well victor, maybe i'm missing something heyou call it a Charadetell me what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. Is that how youwould describe it? EWS was potential. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he >> was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom.>, > Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professional> doctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety than> about Mandy's actual wellbeing. >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. WebSleep Mask for Women, Eye Mask for Sleeping Blindfold Block Out Light and Relieves Dry Eyes with Extra Gel Beads Pad,Super Smooth and Flower Patterns 4.4 4.4 out of 5 stars Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. How doesshe know this? (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. Same voice. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Orgy? > People often don't make definitive connections between things at the > moment. And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, > etc. That is a possible explanation. > > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. 2. As opposed to arborescent: two contrasting concepts central to muchphilosophical debate over the past few decades (see, for instance, thework of philosophers Deleuze and Guattari). Orgy? At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." But the worst thing is your silly and smug arrogance. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). However, the lack of one may have saved the life of gangster Vincent (Mad Dog) Coll (various movies). Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to > all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. No, it was just set up that way, as a puzzle, so that there would beendless discussion. Put on some headphones and listen. Orgy? Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. The Daily Planet may go under too. <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. To take Tess or Barry Lyndon in the same context is perhaps moreappropriate to various periods stylistically divergent from an intentor device for Picasso to depict women;- a later advancement thatneedn't further qualification than figures posed in gold, as was aliteral premium exacted upon proceeds, so written by one later model,over stipends derived from the estate. 0. <<<<<<<<<<. > Take another listen. news:47897d0b$0$5129$4c36@roadrunner.com > Harry writes: (seen on google)>> >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense >> >>> of>>> anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible >> mumbling),<<<>, >> No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare >> kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). 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