The double arrow is still overused, though. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. In 1986 the British Railways Board divided its operations into a number of sectors (sectorisation).The sector responsible for long-distance express trains assumed the brand-name . The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. Introduced originally by the Great Western Railway, the Travelling Post Office would set out from London in the dead of night and deliver . BRs own history says otherwise. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. Boris Johnson has announced that Britain is to have a new public rail operator, Great British Railways (GBR), in the biggest shake-up of the country's trains since privatisation a quarter. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. Agree, having at least 'intercity', 'regional' and 'metro' would be good. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). But do we really want to go back to that? I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. From 1956 maroon (similar to crimson lake) was adopted as the standard colour for coaching stock, with corridor coaches lined and non-corridor plain initially: later on all stock was lined. At present, train operators get to decorate their rolling stock in their own colours. Due to the consequent muddle of liveries, many trains began to get an untidy if not tatty appearance which added to the run-down image of the railway. ScotRail was the brand name under which British Rail operated passenger services in Scotland and cross border services to Northern England and London. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. RM CN0PKR - Britania 70000 in British Railways Livery at West Somerset Railway, Minehead, UK RM C1N4A7 - Totnes Littlehempston Station with Goods Vehicle in authentic 'British Railways' Livery, Totnes, Devon, England, United Kingdom RM ER5JCR - 46138 Royal Scot Class Steam Locomotive - British Railways L They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. [4] This was referred to as the InterCity Executive livery as the sets used were dedicated to operating morning/evening services operated for businesspeople. The distinctive angular shape of the HST power cars did not lend itself to applying yellow on the leading face, so the yellow was wrapped around and extended along the side of each power car, although the coaches retained the usual Rail Blue coaching stock livery. At the moment, the TOC mostly differentiates this. 1948 -. As part of this work, the team engaged with industry through a formal call for evidence. The system just looks like a disparate random mish mash of different organisations each running trains in their own way. The British Isles in my old school geography books included the island of Ireland but I wouldn't have said that in my recent visit to the country! One hallmark of the Governments approach to the constitutional struggle to hold the United Kingdom together has been a recognition that pro-Union policy is not simply a matter for a single department: it needs to run throughout the business of the State. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. Free delivery for many products! Finsbury Park. This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. Swiss style would be nice, British society & culture wouldn't allow this as we for example don't have direct democracy as in Switzerland this is a very good example of how it can work, credit to Dispatcher on the Stour on Twitter. On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. Can you only be professional if every rail person works in the same uniform? Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? GBR will be modelled on the operations of Transport for London, which contracts services on systems such as London Overground. Despite the InterCity brand having been introduced in 1966, in 1985 the word 'Executive' was dropped and the livery was applied to all coaches and many locomotives used on InterCity services. I don't see what's wrong with Rail Alphabet which is rather older than the 1980s - to be frank the branding shouts 60s, a period of branding I personally like but obviously that *is* personal - although you could just use Frutiger to keep the tie in with the other large national service, the NHS ( who used to use Rail Alphabet too ). It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . It looks like BR. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Read about the differences between Britain, the. Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. No complaints really over the Rail Alphabet, I even like seeing it on old BR signage that still exists here and there. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked? A commonly mistake to make, but one that can easily upset the locals! It is known as Great because it is the largest island in the British Isles, and houses the countries of England, Scotland and Wales within its shores. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have decided to take a step back towards a national rail network with the launch of Great British Railways (GBR). But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus. I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. A railway works best as a single unit. There is also a British Standard paint colour BS381C 114 called Rail Blue which was introduced in 1964. [7], GBR will use a slightly modified British Rail Double Arrow and the Rail Alphabet 2 typeface for branding. Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. "Great" means "large", not "very good". And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. Last week Doug Beattie, the newly-installed leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, hit out at Boris Johnson. Apple Green. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). [5] As Rail Blue was introduced, the last locomotive recorded as being outshopped in a previous livery was Class 43 D838 Rapid which left Swindon Works in August 1968 in maroon. Copyright 2023 Great British Railways Transition Team. And why call it G-BR if it's nothing like BR? It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. It does because it's public perception. For Station signage that is supposed to be functional and informative above all else, I don't see too much wrong with this. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Likes Received: 1,930. There was a return of some regional schemes: the Western Region turned out some Mk1 sets for named expresses in chocolate/cream, similar to that used by the GWR before nationalisation. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. You are using an out of date browser. Regional divisions will manage concession contracts, stations, infrastructure, and local and regional budgets, integrate track and train, and integrate rail with local transport services. For this new venture a new livery - a paler shade of blue than Rail Blue, with three stripes of white, red and grey - was created with Class 47 No.47573 The London Standard painted in the new livery specifically for the launch ceremony. The smokebox, running plate, and running gear remained black, and the bufferbeam remained red. The livery was carried on the rolling stock, but also on a number of locomotives which were dedicated to mail and parcels traffic, mainly of Classes 47 and 90. The first break in the uniformity of Rail Blue came in 1976 with the introduction of the first InterCity 125 (HST). From July 1956 the Southern Region began using a 'coaching stock' green that was somewhat darker than the malachite green colour of the old Southern Railway and this extended to former Southern vehicles as well as Mk1 stock. [4] One locomotive, Class 47 No.D1733, was painted to match the coaching stock. All Regions. However many people were not happy with the loss of the traditional "historic" regional colour schemes as used by the former private companies. Historic fact is that Roman Britain was England & Wales and the name Great Britain was adopted once Scotland joined, even though today we may refer of GB as just Britain. This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. Question for the designers. Home Forums Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. Most of the coverage has focused on this. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? For cost reasons, liveries were usually changed piecemeal, when coaches came in for scheduled maintenance. In which case, why do car manufacturers put effort (and substantial amounts of money!) [3] Goods (freight) services are operated by a number of companies, the descendants of those created during the 1990s privatisation. Managed to get a look at a new proposed one: But my point is that DB have had the same basic livery for so long. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. Once we lose TOC branding I certainly think service categories need to return, if only on the Dutch basis of them only describing service patterns rather than anything else. Well Id have thought it might be GBR Northern or GBR Southern. But we know that anyway - ScotRail is blue based, as was Regional Railways. The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. [16] As well as rolling stock and multiple units, a number of Class 47 and Class 50 locomotives dedicated to Network SouthEast passenger services were painted in this livery. Upon sectorisation, most secondary passenger routes which did not fall under the InterCity or Network SouthEast banner were re-designated as Regional Railways (originally Provincial). Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. How many people list how attractive a train is when you ask them why they decided to go by car or train? The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. There have also been subtle font changes. TL:DR - if your a british collector, and you paint your own, PUT THE STRIPPER DOWN. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago. "Image of No.47163 with Silver Jubilee Union Jack", History of Blood and Custard (Crimson Lake & Cream) Livery, Information on Freight Locomotive Liveries & logos, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_corporate_liveries&oldid=1136093401, Articles with unsourced statements from December 2014, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0. 1 Pre-corporate liveries 2 Early liveries 2.1 Coaching stock from 1948 2.2 The second phase 2.3 XP64 3 Rail Blue 3.1 Locomotives 3.2 Coaches and multiple units 3.3 Local variations 4 Moving away from Rail Blue 5 Sectorisation 5.1 InterCity 5.2 Network SouthEast 5.3 Regional Railways 5.4 Rail Express Systems 5.5 Railfreight Pre-corporate liveries But thats the insidious appeal of nationalism: it willalwaysbe easier, in the short term, to spurn complicating national attachments in favour of tacking to local winds and making off with as much cash as you can lay your hands on. Make the name central and it'd be perfect. [14] While this livery had much in common with the "Large Logo" version of Rail Blue livery, including the yellow cabs and larger logo and numbers on the bodyside, the main colour was grey rather than blue. The concession contract system will be the long-term replacement for the previous system of passenger rail franchising run by the Department for Transport, which became unsustainable early in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. Wrap yourself up in the flag and sing rule Brittania. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It was formed from the nationalisation of the Big Four British railway companies, and was privatised in stages between 1994 and 1997. It'll be operated quite differently. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). I agree I think the NR logo in the circle looks better, but GBR is such a mouthful - its just latent fear of the British Rail brand. (Something that ought to give die-hard advocates of splitting off the Scottish Conservatives pause for thought.) WMT (operationally separate from LNWR by this point) brand to be used additionally on XC services to Nottingham and Leicester (stopper only). Which does what it says on the tin. Then theres the question of livery. Later regional variations included some interesting changes for the Class8P passenger types in particular. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains. We use cookies. The history of British Rail's corporate liveries is quite complex. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. Feb 1, 2020. This livery was well received by enthusiasts but as the Class 56s only hauled freight, it was decided to extend the experiment to a passenger loco. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. Great British Railways marks a new era in the history of our railways. Construction of the first locomotive was completed in the final week of September 1957, and the handing-over took place on 31 October. Our railways play a fundamental role in supporting the economic, environmental and social achievements of the country. Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. For example, GBR will apparently inherit from Network Rail the duty to run and plan the network, as well as providing online tickets, information and compensation for passengers nationwide. This opens up the possibility of a national ticketing app, with the Great British Railways branding. Heh. The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. During 2020, in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, all passenger train operating companies (TOCs) entered into Emergency Recovery Measures Agreements with the UK and Scottish Governments. There are some good brands out there - gWr for example is a superb piece of marketing prowess, alongside the "friendly nostalgia" of the Famous Five advertising. There is surely a case at least for putting the cross-border inter-city services in national colours (perhaps an updated take on Network SouthEast), to match the saltires splashed all over Scotrail trains. Variants where the band was blue (outer suburban) or green (inner suburban) instead of orange were planned, but never implemented.[15]. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? Consisting of three shades of grey and thus known as "triple grey Railfreight", the livery included logos on the sides and cabs of locomotives indicating which sector they belonged to. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Great Central Railway {} Sample: 002366: Great Eastern Railway {} Sample: 00a550: Great Northern Railway (Great Britain) {{GNGE colour}} Sample: 00645b: Great Northern and Great Eastern Joint Railway {{GWGC colour}} Sample: 47640f: Great Western and Great Central Joint Railway {} Sample: 964b00: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway But Beatties second charge is more interesting. The anniversary of the Battle of Hastings which took place in 1066 was also used in publicity for the line. Of course it's possible to do better, but I'd argue there are bigger priorities as long as the signage is fit for purpose. Whatever its failings and they were multitude branding was one thing British Rail took seriously and was remarkably good at. Like the Thameslink 700 "can't be bothered" livery. | Page 15 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. I think in Germany it is done by using the "TOC" name in place of IC etc. Corridor coaching stock was originally trialled in LNWR coach plum and off-white (nicknamed Plum and Spilt Milk) before Crimson (carmine red) and Cream livery (nicknamed Blood and Custard) was adopted across the network; non-corridor stock was painted plain Crimson. NR do infrastructure in Wales & Scotland, don't they? I'd go along with that from a "looks right" perspective, but it would be almost impossible to see from (for instance) inside a train in darkness. The XP64 train was used to test technology and carriage arrangements for the planned Mark 2 coaches. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard", This idea often seems to pop its head up. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now, https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/1455113527954493474/photo/1. Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. Great Northern split, with the Moorgate services becoming part of the London Overground brand and the Kings Lynn route becoming part of the LNER brand. Bare minimum. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. Creating a separate thread for this as it's quite a big topic, potentially. GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). Coaches from different regions could also often find themselves coupled together and trains of 2 or 3 mixed liveries were not uncommon. Id like GN non-Moorgate stuff to join Greater Anglia, as they dont fit in LNER imo. For example, GWRs London to Bristol, Penzance, Cardiff, Oxford etc might be wrapped up with a GBR Express or GBR Intercity, but the GWR commuter/regional services under a different brand name. Bare minimum, low effort. [citation needed]. Oct 22, 2021 All that remains, is to remember the man who made the Journey possible; the greatest engineer of all time and the architect who built modern Britain - Isambard Kingdom Brunel. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britains strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard. What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? The name is still awful though and far too long. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. The pleasure's all mine. Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. Today I would like to make a rather general suggestion rather than something specific. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". Wholely agree. One of the worst liveries they ever carried, never seen a HST look so poor. Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? English regions, Scotland, and Wales will have their own variants, but these will still emphasise the national nature of GBR. It really does look dire. You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? White letters on a navy background is the way to go. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. The United Kingdom is defined clearly on the passport .. the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. But it invites an obvious question: what is to be done about it? You are using an out of date browser. I suppose they are quite bland. into flashy advertising campaigns, the appearance of the showrooms (and their digital counterpart, the website), and the styling of their vehicles? Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. I reckon a simple logo like the one youve depicted will be what we see. A livery, similar to ScotRail but with the upper dark grey bodyside replaced with a dark blue, was created. From 1974, some DMU sets, after being refurbished, were painted white with a wide blue band under the windows and full yellow ends.

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